diff --git a/phpgwapi/inc/class.egw_ckeditor_config.inc.php b/phpgwapi/inc/class.egw_ckeditor_config.inc.php
index a907d921d9..9ee3af84cd 100644
--- a/phpgwapi/inc/class.egw_ckeditor_config.inc.php
+++ b/phpgwapi/inc/class.egw_ckeditor_config.inc.php
@@ -166,7 +166,7 @@ class egw_ckeditor_config
 		{
 			//Get the skin name
 			$skin = $GLOBALS['egw_info']['user']['preferences']['common']['rte_skin'];
-
+			//error_log(__METHOD__.__LINE__.' UserAgent:'.html::$user_agent);
 			//Convert old fckeditor skin names to new ones
 			switch ($skin)
 			{
@@ -178,7 +178,8 @@ class egw_ckeditor_config
 				case 'kama':
 				case 'default':
 					$skin = "kama";
-					if (html::$user_agent != 'firefox') break;
+					// firefox and msie fail on kama skin
+					if (!(html::$user_agent == 'firefox' || html::$user_agent == 'msie')) break;
 				case 'moonocolor':
 					$skin = "moonocolor";
 					break;
diff --git a/phpgwapi/inc/class.html.inc.php b/phpgwapi/inc/class.html.inc.php
index 4eed1c2566..25b0fd5d63 100644
--- a/phpgwapi/inc/class.html.inc.php
+++ b/phpgwapi/inc/class.html.inc.php
@@ -69,6 +69,9 @@ class html
 		}
 		list(,self::$user_agent,self::$ua_version) = $parts;
 		if ((self::$user_agent = strtolower(self::$user_agent)) == 'version') self::$user_agent = 'opera';
+		// current IE may report its engine as USER_AGENT string
+		if (self::$user_agent=='trident') self::$user_agent='msie';
+
 		self::$ua_mobile = preg_match('/(iPhone|iPad|Android|SymbianOS)/i',$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT']);
 
 		self::$netscape4 = self::$user_agent == 'mozilla' && self::$ua_version < 5;