diff --git a/Shorewall-common/releasenotes.txt b/Shorewall-common/releasenotes.txt
index ba0adee7d..d7101d126 100644
--- a/Shorewall-common/releasenotes.txt
+++ b/Shorewall-common/releasenotes.txt
@@ -19,7 +19,8 @@ Other changes in Shorewall 4.1.2.
 1)  Shorewall 4.1.2 contains enhanced operational logging capabilities
     through a set of related enhancements to Shorewall-common and
     Shorewall-shell. The enhancements are not supported by
-    Shorewall-shell.
+    Shorewall-shell nor are they supported by Shorewall-lite except
+    when the script is compiled using Shorewall-perl.
 
     a)  The STARTUP_LOG option in /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf gives
         the name of the Shorewall operational log. The log will be
diff --git a/Shorewall-common/shorewall b/Shorewall-common/shorewall
index b1be55769..a9cee4dde 100755
--- a/Shorewall-common/shorewall
+++ b/Shorewall-common/shorewall
@@ -382,8 +382,6 @@ compiler() {
 	    $command perl $debugflags $pc $options $@
 	    ;;
 	shell)
-	    LOG_VERBOSE=$LOG_VERBOSITY
-	    export STARTUP_LOG LOG_VERBOSE
 	    [ -x $sc ] || startup_error "SHOREWALL_COMPILER=shell requires the shorewall-shell package which is not installed"
 	    [ -n "$REFRESHCHAINS" ] && startup_error "Shorewall-shell does not support refresh of specific chains"
 	    $command $SHOREWALL_SHELL $sc $@
@@ -1315,7 +1313,7 @@ export_command() # $* = original arguments less the command.
 #
 usage() # $1 = exit status
 {
-    echo "Usage: $(basename $0) [debug|trace] [nolock] [ -q ] [ -v ] [ -t ] <command>"
+    echo "Usage: $(basename $0) [debug|trace] [nolock] [ -q ] [ -v[-1|{0-2}] ] [ -t ] <command>"
     echo "where <command> is one of:"
     echo "   add <interface>[:<host-list>] ... <zone>"
     echo "   allow <address> ..."
diff --git a/Shorewall-lite/shorewall-lite b/Shorewall-lite/shorewall-lite
index 61d3d16eb..66198b895 100755
--- a/Shorewall-lite/shorewall-lite
+++ b/Shorewall-lite/shorewall-lite
@@ -149,7 +149,7 @@ get_config() {
 
     [ -n "${VERBOSITY:=2}" ]
 
-    VERBOSE=$(($VERBOSE_OFFSET + $VERBOSITY))
+    [ -n "$USE_VERBOSITY" ] && VERBOSE=$USE_VERBOSITY || VERBOSE=$(($VERBOSE_OFFSET + $VERBOSITY))
 
     export VERBOSE
 
@@ -398,6 +398,7 @@ fi
 IPT_OPTIONS="-nv"
 FAST=
 VERBOSE_OFFSET=0
+USE_VERBOSITY=
 NOROUTES=
 EXPORT=
 export TIMESTAMP=
@@ -432,8 +433,29 @@ while [ $finished -eq 0 ]; do
 			option=${option#f}
 			;;
 		    v*)
-			VERBOSE_OFFSET=$(($VERBOSE_OFFSET + 1 ))
 			option=${option#v}
+			case $option in 
+			    -1*)
+				USE_VERBOSITY=-1
+				option=${option#-1}
+				;;
+			    0*)
+				USE_VERBOSITY=0
+				option=${option#0}
+				;;
+			    1*)
+				USE_VERBOSITY=1
+				option=${option#1}
+				;;
+			    2*)
+				USE_VERBOSITY=2
+				option=${option#2}
+				;;
+			    *)
+				VERBOSE_OFFSET=$(($VERBOSE_OFFSET + 1 ))
+				USE_VERBOSITY=
+				;;
+			esac
 			;;
 		    n*)
 			NOROUTES=Yes
diff --git a/manpages-lite/shorewall-lite.xml b/manpages-lite/shorewall-lite.xml
index 2b039a9a7..14f01692e 100644
--- a/manpages-lite/shorewall-lite.xml
+++ b/manpages-lite/shorewall-lite.xml
@@ -358,9 +358,12 @@
     role="bold">v</emphasis> and <emphasis role="bold">q</emphasis>. If the
     options are omitted, the amount of output is determined by the setting of
     the VERBOSITY parameter in <ulink
-    url="shorewall-lite.conf.html">shorewall-lite.conf</ulink>(5). Each
-    <emphasis role="bold">v</emphasis> adds one to the effective verbosity and
-    each <emphasis role="bold">q</emphasis> subtracts one from the effective
+    url="shorewall.conf.html">shorewall.conf</ulink>(5). Each <emphasis
+    role="bold">v</emphasis> adds one to the effective verbosity and each
+    <emphasis role="bold">q</emphasis> subtracts one from the effective
+    VERBOSITY. Anternately, <emphasis role="bold">v</emphasis> may be followed
+    immediately with one of -1,0,1,2 to specify a specify VERBOSITY. There may
+    be no white space between <emphasis role="bold">v</emphasis> and the
     VERBOSITY.</para>
 
     <para>The <emphasis>options</emphasis> may also include the letter
diff --git a/manpages/shorewall.xml b/manpages/shorewall.xml
index 1ba51aadb..6b7f487a6 100644
--- a/manpages/shorewall.xml
+++ b/manpages/shorewall.xml
@@ -576,6 +576,9 @@
     url="shorewall.conf.html">shorewall.conf</ulink>(5). Each <emphasis
     role="bold">v</emphasis> adds one to the effective verbosity and each
     <emphasis role="bold">q</emphasis> subtracts one from the effective
+    VERBOSITY. Anternately, <emphasis role="bold">v</emphasis> may be followed
+    immediately with one of -1,0,1,2 to specify a specify VERBOSITY. There may
+    be no white space between <emphasis role="bold">v</emphasis> and the
     VERBOSITY.</para>
 
     <para>The <emphasis>options</emphasis> may also include the letter